SPEAKER_03 0:04

Because it's from that place of women. What are other people thinking? What is my partner thing? What is the month? Maybe it shows up only couple months like times of year of the year. But it's still a strategy and sometimes this person is not a man. This fear is not controlling one that I'm recognized and befriended. But I do have some men because it's a tangible gateway to you getting what you actually want out of life. All of this is really just to facilitate us monument.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Welcome to another Internet Edge Podcast episode. Today, with me, I have Dominic Vatuski, and he is a nervous system coach specializing in accelerating his client's growth and purpose.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Purpose. Welcome on the show. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm so happy that we're doing this. Yeah. I mean, look at this. This is beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Thank you. Yeah. So, as always, we're going to go through uh what you do, how you got here, and then my favorite part is gonna offer an exercise. So let's jump on in. So, as always, tell us who you are and what do you do?

SPEAKER_03 1:30

Wow, great, great place to start. I'm Dominic, and I help people with their nervous systems in a very to just to put it very simply, there's a a system and structure to re-regulating the nervous system over time, right? And just getting down to the roots of what interferes with our deepest joy in life. And first of all, identifying all those things, right? Befriending them, getting to know them in a really deep way. And then having a formula and having an actual step-by-step way that you can go and utilize that in your life every time it comes up as a resistance to what your purpose is, what you're aiming to bring to this planet. So it's really cool because when you go back and forth between those two things, right? Having kind of a reclamation of who you are, reclaiming your own self through working with the nervous system, and then having a devotion to your purpose in a very systematic way, you end up with embodiment of your of your biggest self, right? Those are the kind of the three pillars I work with.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

Right? Reclamation, yeah, devotion, and embodiment. And that's that's the formula. One plus one equals who you really are. Yeah, yeah. Full time baby. Wow. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really fun because, you know, we talk a lot about sometimes in this work, like shadow work, right? And and getting to know these strategies that we have that we've developed over time to protect ourselves is a really useful tool to real-time programming and processing of those things, like identifying, being present, and and having the real-time regulation when life becomes a little bit challenging for us, right? When when we're inevitably met with the challenge of we know who we are, right? We have a deep sense of that. But life presents us with, okay, but what about this situation? What about this scenario that you weren't expecting? And what about this old wiring that for most of us is going to come up at some point when we're expanding into a bigger version of who we are? When we're learning to take a more courageous step into embodiment. It's going to be a process. There's going to be some discomfort, but it's going to be fun and easier when you have someone to walk that road with you, when you have community and when you have a system. So that's essentially in a nutshell what I provide for people.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Great. So let's go over in a in a like more depth of like the three sort of pillars that you work with that you mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Yeah. And give like an example of like what is each one. If if a guy was in that state, yeah, what is what does it look like? And how do you work with that?

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Sure. So let's start with reclamation, because this is all from the yogic tradition. Right. These are all tools and yeah, there's basically tools that we can use that were written down and taught and reproduced in like a very, very clear way, uh, for a very long time. And we just know over time these work on your nervous system. These work. Yeah. It's that there's repeatable effects and outcomes. And today we have it packaged in a lot of different ways. Breath work. Uh, you know, you go to a studio, you might do some stretching, asana, right? Or meditation. And those are kind of the three pillars to how this actually manifests when you're practicing it. But most of us have, most men have uh an issue with one of these, right? They don't like doing the stretching, they don't like sitting, right, in meditation, or they think breath work is whatever, overrated, or it doesn't work for me, or have breathing issues or something. So encountering those resistances and and learning to build a formula that works for that particular man, because really there's so many tools and techniques that there's a way. There's a way. If you, if you, if you think yoga is not for you, it's just you haven't found the right way to apply it to your body and your nervous system. Yeah. So just for example, a person who has a lot of trouble quieting their mind, which most people have talked to when I talk about meditation, they're like, I don't want to just sit there and think about my problems. That doesn't help me. Totally. And you're kind of right, like thinking about your problems is not going to produce the outcome you want. But if you combine it with what's getting in the way, which is really you're slightly dysregulated. If you're sitting there and you're just like, mind is racing, you're probably in uh a little bit of a blended state in your nervous system of fight or flight, right? There's a lot going on. And I'm excited because later we're going to go over some breathing exercises that are going to help you start off and actually do meditation the real way. Because, you know, the Yoga Sutras and a lot of these manuals, because they're really just kind of manuals for how to do this right, they they're very clear in that you need to start this out from a regulated place to really understand what meditation is and to really get the impact, the real felt presence of its benefits. Yeah. So, so one way we would do that is is a simple breathing pattern that calms down the nervous system before you even sit down and think, I'm gonna quiet my mind. Yeah. Because the breathing pattern is gonna regulate you, and that is gonna slow down your mind. It does work on specific parts of your brain that that send cues to the whole nervous system that you're safe, right? Even just a simple one like this, like taking an inhale for three through your nose, and then exhaling for six out of your mouth, and especially making a sound signals to your vagus nerve that you're safe. Because generally, if you're going, you're not running from a tiger in nature. You're like, you're you're all right. Yeah. Your chill mode. Your chill mode. So, like reclamation, you ask for examples. That pillar for men is all about, you know, why am I chronically dysregulated? And what's the clear, simple format that I can plug into my life so that uh a reasonable amount of time is committed just to being with yourself, just to being in a state of peace, just to being in a state of regulation and like selfhood. And that goes a long, long way. Just a long way. Yeah. A quick 30 minutes to an hour in the morning of just pure presence, it's gonna make your day and your whole life a lot different. And a lot of men uh don't see the value in that, so they don't do it, and they don't see the productivity of that. So it's how can I optimize my morning routine? I gotta get up, cold plunge, go to the gym, do, do, do, do, do, you know, get my caffeine, get my protein, whatever. Like, there's there's a lot of ways that we chronically avoid in our culture just being with ourselves. So it's like the first step is figuring out how can you plug in that into your life, and how can you do it in a way that you actually enjoy and that works for your particular body and your nervous system? Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Yeah, I love what you said. Like you actually use the words of doing, right? They're constantly doing, like they get up and the cold plunge and the da-da-da, taking action. And then you said being with themselves. Yeah. Like, how many guys do you know that we know being just like you said, waking up and just being present with themselves is such a hard thing. Yeah, it's the scariest thing. It's the scariest thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Because if I do that, then I'm not gonna be all these things I claim I want to be. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And another thing that we do in this pillar of reclamation is understanding and mapping out the strategies we have for protection, right? Because we have core needs as human beings. We want approval, we want acceptance, you know, we want, and a lot of these secondary needs or or behaviors that we have in our lives come back to being appreciated, being approved of and being accepted, because these are our like basic survival needs as human beings. We need community and we need some kind of like social uh relevance or acceptance, right? Yeah, big time. And so so when we look at our nervous system patterns, right, our parts, a lot of times we'll we can get to the root of really just being present with that dysregulation, right? Like if we have an active, like, oh my gosh, I'm feeling really anxious right now, which a lot of men do and just cover it up, right? Yeah. If you can enter a state of uh awareness in that in that space when you're when you're having this, like, oh my gosh, I'm feeling really activated, I'm feeling really nervous around this situation, this person, understanding and having the the quietness inside yourself and the and building that muscle over time of hold on, let's take a step back when my heart is racing. Hold on, let's take a step back and look at and ask what's the core need that's not being filled right now? And that takes a little time to do well to have it be kind of an automatic muscle that operates in your life. But once it's there, so many things open up for us because we're not blocking ourselves and protecting ourselves from reality, from real life and the abundance of it, the beauty of it, the possibility that we can really be present in now that we are functioning primarily in a state of resonance with who we are. And like scientifically, we might call that uh ventral vagal, right? This kind of top of the polyvagal ladder. And then if we're in this more rapid, anxious state, that's a one one step lower on the rung of the ladder. And then if we become chronically overwhelmed and unable to regulate, we'll we'll go a little bit lower on that ladder into a dorsal vagal, which is kind of a shutdown. And for each of these steps on the ladder, there's different practices we can do and different ways we can use our breath as well as our focus to bring ourselves gently out of those things and more uh consistently into that relaxed ventral vagal, who am I really? But in an embodied way over time. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

Woo!

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

And so, okay, so this is all uh reclamation, just reclamation's part.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

Yeah, there's a lot to it. But then once you have that pretty dialed in, yeah, right. You make a practice of that, it's inevitable that we'll confront, well, what do I want to do with all this? You know, because that we are being and doing as human beings, right? So once we have reached this kind of deep sense of of reclaiming and knowing who we are, it's time to put that into service. Right. And this question of what is my purpose is one that we generally have a sense of like what we're passionate about in life, but oftentimes it's challenging for men, especially to reconcile the masks that we wear, right? These strategies that we we use to get what we want uh in the societal world with this sense, this like felt presence of who we really are. Like, how do we connect those dots? And so devotion is it's a discipline of I am going to design my life in a way where my needs are met, and I'm not like doing this crazy, you know, jump into purpose that feels reckless and unsafe, but I'm gradually over time, I have a clear sense of how I'm existing in time in a way that's peaceful for me, in a way that like I deeply accept myself because I'm actually serving, right? I'm not just sitting on a mountaintop and breathing deeply. I'm going out into the world. Like I can see the tangible results of how I'm working with people. So devotion is really cool because we're able to we're just able to see results, right? And not results in this way where we're constantly trying to, we're constantly hyper concerned with the metrics of things, but it it feels more like a like a game that we're playing from this place of regulation. You know, how do I want to serve? How do I want to show up? And am I doing those things? And are they are they giving me the results that that I think I want to have from them? So it's a system of of measuring that, and it's a system of progressing to greater and greater challenges uh that we can adapt our nervous systems to, right? So it's a feedback loop between these regulation practices and then actually having the consistency and the accountability to show up in the world with that, because that's what a lot of us want. And we're all entrepreneurial in ways, whether we have a career at a specific space, workplace, or whether we have our own business, we want to see that we're showing up in those businesses and authentically and that purpose and that career of ours, whatever that might be. And we want to see that we're also not sacrificing who we are in order to show up in those spaces. And if we are, what would happen if we just showed up slightly differently? And how would that feel? And what results would what surprises would be there if we, you know, for example, spoke with a client or a coworker in a different way that felt more empowered to us, instead of, oh, I need to, I need to fit into this mold or go into this different nervous system state in order to achieve a need, right? Like, what if we just were already so embodied in enough and regulated in a consistent way that we showed up with that energy, with that regulation, and people were like, Oh, this is who Dominic really is. Oh, this whole time I thought he was, but wow, you're when you really show up without those masks, you're so powerful. Like you're so grounded and so much more than we thought you were. Yeah, that's been my experience.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

There's there's a more of a depth of who you are or who I am, yeah, when we play in that game. Yeah, versus the game of like, do you see me? Can you yeah, can you can you give me some uh approval? Can you give me some feedback? Like great. So we heard about reclamation, and then the second one was divine purpose, devotion, devotion, yeah, and then the middle one is when you are tuned in and embodied.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

Yeah. And then you're just doing it.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

You're just doing it, you're just living, you're just living.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

That's the that's the beauty, is like these two things loop together. Yeah, and then you start to see, okay, this is how I'm showing up. And then it becomes more of um, you know, being accountable to that and recognizing the embodiment piece is recognizing when one of these things is out of balance, yeah, and then holding those two pillars with with uh awareness and grace.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

He loves it.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

I love it, beautiful way to so how let's let's hear a little bit about how you got you got here. Yeah, like what led you to practice this, study this, like lit embody this in your own life.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Yeah, I mean, like many of us, a lot of my life was painted with chronic dysregulation of one kind or another. And I never really was a big anxiety guy. I was mostly uh a depression guy, like in my early days. And the reason for that is I didn't like existing in that that that discomfort of the do-do-do-do do, whatever, like oh, accomplish things. Yeah, I generally was really good at hiding that from myself. So I needed, uh, in order to be who I wanted to be in this life, discover what worked for me in order to uncover those things. And so for a long time I was really into meditation. Um, but there was, you know, meditation doesn't always lead to execution. You can have a lot of great inspiration, ideas, you can feel really peaceful. You can walk right outside and somebody triggers you or reminds you of something that you you didn't live up to earlier in your life, like all these different things, and then all of a sudden you're you're subtly back into that dysregulation without noticing it. Right. So those were the masks that I had to uncover. And so it it came from then learning parts work and then learning about the nervous system and studying a little bit more of my own psychology in real time, not thinking about it, but like walking and moving through the world and noticing, um, because that's another kind of meditation, right? Is actually just being present and embodied throughout your day and then marking every time, like, uh-oh, I I self-abandon there just a little bit, or like, ooh, that didn't feel good in my body. Yeah, like I made a little sacrifice there. That helped me a lot to overcome and then realize that I'm I can be safe in that tension space of discomfort, of like uh nervous system activation or anxiety. And I I noticed as I started to do those, actually experiencing anxiety for the first time in my life and not realizing that that had just been stored, right? So, what are the tools that we can use to like get that sympathetic energy uh expressed in a healthy way? Right. And like I started kickboxing, I started doing more like dance, I started even bringing that into my music or my voice. Uh, but there's a lot of different ways, and everybody's got a unique way that works for them. So I discovered, you know, what do I need to do when I when that is bubbling up, when I've come across something that has been stored for years and then just wants to come out, and then showing myself, my body, my nervous system over time, how rewarding of a process that is, how blissful and pleasant that can be, the more we do it, the more we lean into it. And that almost always the reward is over time in your life, more peace and pleasure and bliss and success. And yeah, that's what it's done for me. And then I also realized this is. Is branded very esoterically a lot of times, right? Like the Yoga Sutras, the Shiva Samhita, like all these things where I get these actual exercises from and deeply study them, they don't appeal to most people, right? As just like a conversation in a cafe, right? Unless you're already context, you already have context for it and you're already interested in it. So for other people, you package it and language it in a different way. And usually that's the nervous system, which is a great uh modern way of expressing what's really going on here. And so that brought me more into okay, I'm gonna become a breathwork teacher, become a yoga instructor, I'm gonna start working one-on-one with people. But over time, that process coached me by showing me that there's so many different languages and understandings and resistances to all this that it needs to operate in a system where everyone can understand it, where all men can be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. When you you, you know, in my mind, there's all these languages and concepts for it, but everybody has a body and nervous system. Everybody has breath. Everybody has, you know, tension. So, like, what are the what are the bridges from from our mind and getting out of our mind and getting into our body? What are the cue points that we can use to understand that? And then also, how can I show up in my life and serve in a bigger and bigger way? And that's been a big humbling process of learning how to be more devoted, learning how to be more disciplined, because that's the sweet spot where I've become more embodied. And so everything that I work on with other people, I've lived it myself and I've seen that it works for me and it works for them, and it works for people with all different kinds of dysregulation and all different kinds of uh belief systems, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:59

So uh great. So you mentioned some of the challenges that you had to come through, one of them being the depression.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

For the guys out there, can you give some more with the people that you potentially work with yourself? Like, what are some of the other things that you've seen or pitfalls that guys might be going through that they're like, well, maybe depression isn't their thing. What other things are there that they can be like, oh man, yeah, that's me?

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Distraction, addiction, right? And what I mean is like it's not necessarily like you have an overwhelming addiction to alcohol or something like that, or pornography. Like a lot of times these things just operate in this low level of chronic, but they're still crutches, they're still Achilles heels, right? Like maybe it shows up only a couple months, like times of year out of the year, but it's still a strategy that your nervous system turns to. Yeah. And like maybe it's the occasional night where you you go out and someone's like, oh, let's go drinking. And then the next time you wake up and you're like, wow, I just don't really feel like myself.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

Right. Or, you know, you're generally pretty locked in, but then you have a night and you just get really drawn in by someone you're attracted to.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

And you get really triggered, and like you just all of a sudden self-abandon again. Yeah. Or you you turn to some fantasy, or, you know, and it brings us out of ourselves. And so for me, like the finer levels of these things of this game of like nerve, like really being authentically who you are, is learning how to cut that out and how much power comes back to you when you actually confront those things with courage and re-regulate. You're like, oh, this thing does not have power over me anymore. This person does not have power over me. This fear is no longer controlling me because one, I've named it and recognized it and befriended it. Yeah. Right. And really just made a practice of knowing it. And it's also much simpler than I thought it was. You know, I thought I needed to whatever achieve this grandiose thing, or end up dating this certain person, or end up, you know, whatever the need is. And then I realize it all comes back to acceptance, approval, appreciation, and then the following strategies that stem out from those, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Yeah. Yeah. I for me, the thing that I've struggled with the most is smoking.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Oh, yeah. Been there.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Yeah. It's either smoking or vaping. Yeah. And like there's moments where I won't touch it for like months. Actually, last year I didn't touch it. And then this year, for some reason, I, you know, went through this like trigger moment and I felt this like, oh, well, what's the big deal? I'll just, you know, I'll vape once or twice. And then here, here I am. Like, yeah, exactly. Coughing and smoking and and then needing to recognize what you said about for me, it's self-love or worthiness, right? So appreciation, acceptance of self. Yeah. And that's what I have to go through, where it's just like, do I love myself enough? Yeah. Do I respect myself enough? Do I respect my body enough to be like, I don't want to do this, I don't need this, and put it aside. And that's a practice.

unknown 27:23

It's a practice.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Man, uh, smoking is so hard for so many people. And I've had my struggles with it as well. And one of the things that is most helpful, because statistically it's a very hard addiction to beat.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

Right. Um, for the long run. You maybe it'd be easy to give it up for a month or a week or or like six months, and then it just one of those things that sneaks back in. Yeah. And you said, you said this thing was really powerful, which do I love myself enough? Right. And that's what all of this is about is like uncovering these tiny places where we're we don't really love in in our behavior and in our actions, we're telling ourselves that we don't really love ourselves in that action of like this taking in this toxin. And the statistically strongest strategy for overcoming smoking addiction is hypnosis. But it's a very specific hypnosis where once you're in that tender, you know, place with your with your deep mind, your subconscious, you imagine that you are a baby. And you see that every time you smoke, you're giving that smoke to a baby, which is how precious and tender your body tissue is, right? Yeah. And so if you would give it to yourself as an adult, you're saying that you would give it to yourself as this tender, precious baby. And that really helps.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

I feel that already. I'm like, wow, I want to give my little baby, right? Wow.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

And even if you if you plan to have children someday, like just genetically, and the way you're altering your cells and damaging, like you, you essentially are, you need to protect your your lineage, right? And even just the way we we behave with other people and we treat ourselves differently when we're embodying self-love day to day, right? So that's the real thing. And oftentimes, for me, it's not been how how much more embodied and how pleasant and how beautiful will it be once I give up these things, but how much does it hurt when I when I actually do these things? Right. Like be in touch with the pain of that because pain is more motivating than than pleasure most of the time. So if you can really see the cause-effect relationship between the choices we make that signal a lack of self-love and the actual consequences of these things, we'll stop feeling like we need to rebel and do these things, right? Like, oh, I need more freedom. I ah, we'll forget it. I mean, it's just we're just one night, exactly. You know, just one day, yeah. Uh, whatever, bender, porn bender, or like cigarette or whatever thing that is your crutch.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

And then you realize, oh, well, there's a really clear outcome from this. So will me in my full self and will and awareness still choose this? And like you even recognize in those moments when you do choose it, you're like, Yeah, I'm choosing this fully in my awareness and power. Yeah. And I'm gonna see what happens. Do I like it and do or do I not? And nine times out of ten for me, with that one especially, and overcoming that one, is I don't actually enjoy the feeling of it. Yeah, it was the dopamine. During, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was actually the anticipation, is the most addictive part. Yes. The dopamine signals right before the addiction. And it's the same probably with sexual compulsion and other things that men struggle with a lot. It's just the craving and what we think it's gonna bring us freedom, uh, pleasure, right? And then realizing these things are not as important as my overall health, yeah, my overall uh wholeness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

For me, I one of my teachers, Sean Roop, he talks about the for, during, and after the idea. Like, okay, when when you're when I'm thinking about something like smoking a cigarette or vaping, yeah, when I'm thinking about it, is there excitement? For me, absolutely. I'm like, oh, that'd be so nice. Yeah. During, absolutely. Are you I love fucking the smoke that goes through my lungs, I'm like really enjoying it. Vaping, yes, but not a cigarette. Cigarette, like when I'm smoking it, I can sometimes be like, this is disgusting. Yeah. But then the after is I'm like dry mouth, coffee, it's chest hurts. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I I I love what you're sharing about like loving our bodies and really like making the what you said about the content, our mind, yeah, the the dopamine, the like thought pattern of like, oh yeah, for me, I ruminate about the cigarette or I ruminate, I'm like, okay, can I just put it aside and not be stuck in the thought loop of, oh yeah, just just smoke. It's okay, you're gonna be fine. Just do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

And so I think the two tools we have in our toolkit is one, the days that I start out with like the deep time with myself. Yeah, I'm so much less likely to fall into a pattern like that. Like I just am anchored in a deeper place of like resonance with myself. And I'm my nervous system muscle is stronger for will for willpower.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

And that is a limited resource. We only have so much will throughout the day, strong will, right? It is actually just neurochemically, we only have so many decisions we our brain can tolerate before we um start acting from lower parts of our brain, right? Like more primal instinctual parts of the brain that just seek pleasure and dopamine.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

And like you said, in the second tool is that momentary confrontation with the discomfort of leaving that thing, taking a break from the thing.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

Like in my phone is a great example, too. Uh, all of us, like, it's so much pleasure reward, light stimulation, everything. So I have an app set up on my phone that that prompts me to take a pause before I do anything on on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Oh, hell, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

You gotta wait 15 seconds. And then if you go on a second time, you have to wait 45 seconds. And then if you go on a third time, you have to wait a minute and a half. So I'm just sitting there like that.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Hey, the sun's nice today.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

I mean, I'm gonna go for a walk instead, you know? Like, and so that's that's one of the ways that we can interrupt the dopamine cueing, is like you said, setting something aside, taking a break. And if you still want to do it 10, 15 minutes later, that's your choice, right? But it's it's gonna be from a different part of you than the like pure craver part of you, right? Like the dopamine, just like what's we almost don't feel like you have control over it, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Yeah, oh yeah, sometimes. Yeah, yeah. What's the what's the app called?

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Oh, that's called Opal. And there's a free version where you can set up like time blocks throughout the day. So you can still like you know scroll a little bit when you're done with your work day if you want, or like, you know, balance. But the main part there is training your nervous system to be comfortable with pattern interrupt. I love that. And to set up systems in your life where you're you're really just you're protecting yourself from your greatest weaknesses, not in a like avoidant way, but you're you're just setting up systems that really allow you to operate and stay in that place of fullness. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. State of fullness, stay in the fullness, yeah. Great. So this is phenomenal. I love this. So let's uh dive in a little bit about because this podcast is very specific towards men. Oh, yeah. What are some things as to how what you do or the work that you've mentioned support men specifically? Like why men?

SPEAKER_03 35:28

Yeah. So I think as a man, a lot of the challenges are we move through the world operating from these patterns in order to accomplish the things we think we want, when in reality, a lot of the things we want and need are found within ourselves and within our bodies and nervous systems. And then when it comes to greater and greater accomplishments and missions that we feel we're born on this planet to carry out, I think a lot of men struggle with I haven't done enough. A lot of men struggle with you know, my family, what what are other people thinking? What does my partner think? What does the world say about me? And those are valid concerns, but in order to actually carry through and embody the person we want to be, it starts within ourselves. It starts with knowing ourselves and it starts with having the clarity to do those things for ourselves, not for other people. So what I do helps men because it's a tangible gateway to you getting what you actually want out of life, right? Not what you think you want, not what your mind and your body and society and and someone else is telling you you want, but really knowing a thousand percent in your body and nervous system, this is who I am, this is what I do, and this is why I'm doing it. And that's you no one can take that away from you once you've really locked it in. And nobody can tell you otherwise. No advertisement, no person you're dating, no part of your family. Like they can tell you what they think, but you have the power to say, cool, this really resonates with me, that thing you, that feedback you're giving me, that's good advice. But that other part, I think that's your that's your stuff. I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave you with that. So, why does this help men so much? It helps them drop their defenses and their masks, and it helps them fulfill their mission in a way where they're actually going to be happy with who they are at the end of the day.

unknown 37:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

You know, it's it's like I was listening to Alex Hermozi or someone uh talk on a podcast the other day, and they were saying, like, some of the most successful entrepreneurs are deeply broken inside. Wow, because it's from that place of wounding and brokenness that they use that as fuel to be obsessed and just be working, working, working animalistic. And it's okay if you want to have that kind of work ethic. And the reason I say that is because at the end of the day, success and money and power and all these things that you can work towards, they just are what they are. They're not good or bad. What matters most at the end of the day is are you happy with who you are on the inside? And do I know myself well enough to actually enjoy all the things I've created for myself? You know, I have this beautiful home, I have this beautiful uh fulfilling social circle, I have a beautiful partner, I have a beautiful, you know, it's like, but a lot of us, as men especially, we just it's not good enough. I can do better.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Right.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

You know, we has we have those voices because our our culture plants them very young. And usually it's like it comes down to two or three people in our life. Like if we really just listen and ask ourselves, whose voice is that? Oh, that's dad. Oh, that's Uncle Jimmy, that's that's Tony, that's like whatever. That's that's the girl I had a crush in and a crush on in third grade. Yeah, right. Like, what is that really? And it's not me.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

And like knowing that deeply empowers us to be okay with, like deeply okay with and deeply in love with with just as just us as we are today. Yeah, that's hard. That's that's harder than we give it credit for.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Oh, yeah. A lot of that's practice.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

You look in the mirror, oh fixing this thing. Oh, oh, I could go to the gym today. No, no, no. You right here, right now. Yeah, no modifications. Like, what if you got injured and you could never go to the gym again? Yeah. Or like, what if you lost your hair all the sudden? Like, all these things that we attach to, yeah, these are who I am. They're not. Like it's it's it's deeper than that.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

Who are you really? And is that where you lead from in your life? Because if you lead from that place, people will see you as a leader too. If you have self-leadership, it's tangible. And people want to work with you, and people want to follow that energy, and people want to share that valuable resource with you of their time and energy if they see that you're self-led.

unknown 40:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Yeah. I so for me started having started this sort of like journey of this podcast and community thing. Yeah. I don't know, I don't actually know where it's going. I don't know if it's going to go anywhere. Cool. Yeah. Right. And it's just sort of like what you're mentioning. It's just this inner inspiration of like, yeah, great, this is what I'm doing right now. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to lead me anywhere. I don't know if it's going to be quote unquote successful. I don't know if it's going to generate any money. Yet there's some impulse within me that's desiring to do this. Yeah. For whatever reason, I'm being called in this direction at this moment. Yeah. And it feels very, very like, I don't even know how to say it's not, I wouldn't say exciting. I would say there's just this element of like, I'm doing this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

And I'm doing what I want to do. I've wanted to do this for 10, 15 years. And you thought about it, and now you're actually doing it. You're embodied. Yes. Yes. On your mission. Yeah. That's powerful.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

Yeah, that's really powerful.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

And it's fun.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

It's fun. It's fun. There's joy in it.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

And the other thing is you said something key, which is I don't know if it'll make money. I don't know if uh it'll bring these XYZ things. And that's that's great because not being attached to those things is what's gonna keep you in it for the long haul. Because some months it might be a flop or it might not get views. But then the next month you might get a hundred thousand views and be like, yeah, I'm so glad I stuck to it. And like, as whether we're entrepreneurs or whether we're just working on what we know we're best at in life, always life gives us that current of this worked, this didn't.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

Or this is working, but it's just gonna take a little more time. And the only way we can succeed is if we know ourselves. Otherwise, we'll just abandon it. We'll be like, well, this clearly isn't me, right? Because I'm not getting what I want out of it right now. But the most successful people on the planet have that ability to delay gratification and realize also that what they're doing is not for a specific outcome. And even if it is, you're not attached to the outcome. Yeah, you might get exactly what you want. Yeah, and then you wow, it blew up. Oh my God, I built a men's community. And like it's so cool because you accomplished your dream. Yeah. And life might have some dream for you that's better than you thought. Ooh. Yeah, buddy. Yeah. Yeah, buddy. Oh, it's awesome. If you just change this one little thing. And and we're always forced into that, not forced, but like we're always strongly encouraged by life to change those one or two things that we've been missing the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

And then something clicks, and it's like, oh, okay, I didn't have to try so hard at this thing. I just needed to be consistent.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Yeah. Oh. I resonate with you because a lot of my endeavors have not gone how I planned them to. I start with this mission, I build the system, I'm like, okay, cool, we're ready to hit it. And then we go and we do and do and do, and then it's like, oh my gosh, this is not working.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

This is not what I thought it was. And then we realize a year later, whoa, but look. Look at the seeds I planted. Look at the fruits that are coming from all of the unexpected grace of me just showing up in devotion.

SPEAKER_01 44:10

Yeah. Those words like melted me showing up in devotion. Yeah. Just showing up.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

Just showing you up.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Showing up.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Showing up. Yeah. Feeling safe. Trusting yourself.

SPEAKER_02 44:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

Knowing the world has got you. And you've got you. Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

My goodness. Oh. All right. This is amazing. Like. I think I think I think we we dive into what is the exercise that you might you want to share with us. Let's dive into that. Let's talk about it a little bit. Um, so yeah. So tell us, yeah, tell us what the exercise is. Yeah. What is it about? And the steps.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

There's two parts of this. Uh there's a warm-up, and then there's the actual breathing. Most of the listeners have probably heard about Wim Hof and Wim Hof breathing. And sometimes when you do Wim Hof, you do a breath hold at the end. Yeah. And the breath hold is great because it's a test of how deeply are you surrendering. And by that I mean the things that actually physiologically keep us from holding our breath longer is usually tension in our head and neck, tension in our chest and abdomen. And then the relationship between our mind and the part of our brain that's telling us, you're gonna die. You're gonna die if you don't breathe in. And the reason I mentioned that is because if you have the level of regulation in yourself where you can hold that discomfort with that part that's screaming at you, you're gonna die. Not only will you increase your breath hold as like a okay, cool, look at these metrics, I'm going up. You are training your nervous system to respond to the deepest primal fears in your life with presence, grace, relaxation. That's gold. Gold. That's gold. That's gonna go so far in confronting your deepest fears in life. So this is a breathing technique where first of all, we're going to do a little bit of um stimulation and relaxation of the abdomen. Because that's where a lot of us, especially men who do a lot of sit-ups, work hard, really work really hard in the gym. Uh, there's a lot of core tension. And also guys who sit at desks all day were like chronically our pelvic, you know, this whole system is like can be very easily messed up and chronically tight. So we're gonna do an exercise that relaxes that, and then we're gonna see how that changes our breath. Okay, so it's very simple. It's a breath hold where we're gonna have a nice, easy posture, right? We're gonna start with our root and really get our pelvic tilt proper. Then we're gonna stack all the way up the spine, we're gonna have a nice open chest with our shoulder blades pulled apart, and we're gonna be doing that relaxation breath the whole time that I told you about, which is that in through the nose for three. And then it's that exhale with a sigh if you want, or just at least a consistently signaling to the body that you're safe. And we're gonna do three rounds of that, and then we're gonna do a breath hold. We're gonna do it over and over again. So it's gonna be three rounds of relaxation and then a breath hold. And when you're doing the breath hold, you want to exhale everything out. This is an empty breath hold. So you're gonna be like totally out. And then you'll notice your diaphragm, your abdominal tissue automatically kind of creates a vacuum when you're totally empty. You want to hold that vacuum vacuum without tensing the muscles, and that actually relaxes your pelvic floor, it goes into these muscles here, it affects the muscles in your head and neck, it's all connected, the fascia and the tissue. So we're working on seeing how soft we can get the belly and the abdomen.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

So on the exhale, yeah. There because there's times when on the exhale I feel the tightness. Yeah. So what you're proposing is on the exhale, relax. Relax that tightness of your abdomen. Okay, great.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

Yeah. And this is called kumbaka. Kumbhaka. Kumbaka. Yeah. Okay. You ready? Ready to leave us? I'm ready. Let's get it. So you can do this seated or laying down. Uh for now we'll do it in a seat. Um, I'll invite you to come to the edge of your seat so that you can have a nice upright spine. Let's take your two fingers. We're gonna place them like this with both hands, and that's gonna be the primary thing we're using is our pointer finger and our middle finger together. The breathing pattern throughout this entire thing is gonna be inhale through the nose, nice and slow, and exhale through the mouth. Sound is welcome. Or just quiet exhale is fine. And the whole time you're breathing, really focusing on how full and relaxed can I have my chest, right? Shoulder blades pulled apart, neck and shoulders relaxed. And even how soft can I hold my belly, right? My abdominal wall. Can we let that soften, especially on the exhales, right? On the feeling that belly come sort of almost up and in when that we let that abdominal wall soften, as well as the hips and everything surrounding it. It's all connected. So let's just start with three of those breaths in through the nose. We'll do it together in and out, nice soft shoulders and chest. Very good, nice upright posture in again through the nose, and out for six, one more time, even more relaxed in and softly out, really nice. You keep that going at your own pace, and we take both of these fingers, right? Both hands, and with a nice upright posture, but keeping the abdomen as soft as you can. Take the two fingers on both hands and press them right into the center, like your solar plexus, right between where the rib cage, the tops of the rib cage meet. And while you're breathing, at that slow relaxing pattern, press both of the fingers deep into that solar plexus. And it's alright if there's discomfort, it's alright if you feel that tension, just breathe into it. We're holding that pressure and seeing if we can press just a little bit deeper, just 10 to 15 percent deeper into our tolerance level for the discomfort. And slowly we'll move that circularly. So let's start counterclockwise. So just move small counterclockwise circles, radiating outwards, pressing nice and firm, keeping the breath smooth.

unknown 52:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

Spine is tall but relaxed. Chest is open, the pelvis is neutral, the hips, the jaw, everything's as soft as we can allow it to be. We can change directions, keeping the breath nice and smooth, clockwise now. Very good. Yeah. So now just take the fingers of the right hand. You can let the left hand relax. And let's open up the ribcage. So we're gonna go down the left wing of the rib cage, the left side of the body. So keep that pressure in the center of the solar plexus and digging and pressing underneath the rib cage as deeply as we can into that tissue. We're gonna drag from the center of the solar plexus all the way down to the left hip. Nice and slow while we're breathing in for three, out for six. So that slow movement underneath and down the side of the rib cage. Very good. We're gonna do three full lines nice and slow. Go ahead and do a second one, pressing deep into the solar plexus underneath those ribs. Yeah. This is much better doing laying down so your full body can relax, but all that tension and pressure deserves your attention. This is where we hold a lot of our defenses stored physiologically right here. So at the bottom of that final stroke down, we'll come back up to the center. We're gonna switch hands. Let the right hand relax. Take your left pointer finger and middle finger. Same thing. We're using it slowly. Take it from the center all the way down to the bottom of the right hip. Getting all those tissues right three times. And being aware of uh how our neck, shoulders, and chest are responding to this. Can I keep the breath nice and deep? And then on the end of that last third time through, bring in both of the fingers back to the center. Now we're this time we're gonna go downwards, all the way past the belly button. So press nice and deep. Just bring it down that center line of the body. All the way past the belly button three times. Nice deep breaths. All the way down. As much pressure as you can tolerate. When you're done with your third time through, let's just take a little shake. Just just a light like invitation to the whole body to settle in a little bit. Nice. And another deep breath. And we're almost ready to start the breathing exercise. We're just gonna bring those fingers back to the solar plexus for one last thing. And pressing with the right hand, let the left hand relax into the solar plexus. Bring it diagonally. So in between that line of the rib cage and in between that straight line up and down, there's that extra area that we haven't touched yet. We're gonna take that, press it in, draw it in a direct line down to the hip and bone. Right. Again for three. Inviting it to relax. Very good. Let the right hand relax. We're gonna do our right side of the body with the left hand. So deep breath in. Press into the solar plexus. Slow diagonal line between the midline and the rib cage. That diagonal line directly down to the hip. Feeling all that tissue. It's connected to the whole body. Okay. And slowly finishing that last round. Give yourself a breath or two to settle in and just feel and witness the impact of working with all of the protection that lives in our hips, our pelvic floor, our chest, our abdomen, and our diaphragm. And acknowledging the extra space we've just cultivated. Very good. So now it's time to come to a tall seat. For me, I like my sit bones at the edge of the chair so I can sit up nice and tall, anchored down, feeling the pressure of your feet against the floor, feeling the pressure of your sitbone against the seat. And then stacking up all the way, feeling the spine stack, feeling a neutral pelvic tilt, like there's a bowl of water that's not spilling forward, not spilling backwards. Right? Climbing up the spine, soft belly, tall spine. When you get to your chest with your awareness, feel the backs of the shoulder blades slightly pull apart, right? So that our arms are almost stretched or pressed just gently outwards in both directions to your left and right side. Right? And that opens up the top of the chest. And then scanning upwards to the neck, the shoulders, and just giving them permission to soften. Take your finger, gently touch your forehead between the eyebrows. Just rub that area a little bit. This is your focus point. Especially the end of the breath holds. We're going to triple the attention on that spot. And during the breath hold, we want to focus gently on the body and where it's tight and where we can surrender more. So you can release the forehead. Bring your hand back down. And we'll start with our regulation breath. So inhale for three through the nose, deep into the belly. Out for six. Feel that belly nice and soft on the exhale. Inhale for three. And out for six. Soft, soft belly. Tall spine. Inhale for three. And out. One more deep, deep inhale. Fill up the belly and chest all the way. And then breathe everything out. You're welcome to fold forward if it helps you. Exhale all the way. Really let all those last bits of air come out. Coming back up nice and tall. Feel that slight gentle vacuum of the abdomen. We're holding only for five here. Five. Three. Two. One. Inhale slowly. The attention is on the forehead. And hold the attention there on a full breath. Softening the attention back to our relaxation breaths. Inhale for three. Exhale for six. Keep the whole body soft and relaxed. Inhale for three. Through the nose and exhale through the mouth. One more, a little bit deeper on the inhale. See how full you can get. Soft exhale for six. Now preparing for the breath, hold deep inhale into the belly. Into the chest. Fold forward, let it all out.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

Shh shh shh shh shh shh shh.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:30

The belly softens. You're holding this void nice and tall. Hold for five more. If you have it, five. Three, two, one. Inhale through the nose. Focusing on the forehead. Holding the focus there. Gently relax. Three more relaxation breaths. And we'll do our final breath hold here. So inhale for three. Out for six. In for three. Out for six. A little bit deeper on the third one. Inhale. And exhale. Preparation breath. See how full you can get in your belly. And all the way to the top of your chest. Fold forward, breathe it all out through the mouth. Nice and tall. Hold that emptiness. That soft belly. Ten more seconds. Ten. Relaxing. Five. Three. Two. One. Inhale through the nose to the third eye. And hold the attention there. Soft body. Soft mind. Firm attention and will relax. Breathe at ease. Take a moment. Acknowledge how you feel in this moment. Remember what you came into this practice with. And know what you are walking away with. And give yourself another moment to just anchor in everything that you're feeling. And take your time when you come out of this to keep this awareness with you as you go about the rest of your day. And this is also a great time to practice meditation right after this.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:09

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

Yeah. That was feeling very relaxed. Yeah. Definitely noticing my energies all around my third eye for sure. My forehead.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

And I noticed in the abdomen exercise my left side had a lot more pain and tension than the right. The right side seemed a lot more relax, like peaceful and not much pain. Like or tenderness, I would say, when I was pressing into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

How so with something like this, how often would you recommend someone to do it?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

It's really good to do it every day.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

Yeah. If you can commit to it, it's really powerful. Especially the massage. Breathing exercise, do whatever serves you, right? Whatever you like doing. I would do it every day. I do do it every day.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:08

You do do it, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

And the abdominal massage, by the way, please do it lying down if you can. And please use coconut oil or something. It's gonna go a lot deeper. And take your time with it. Don't feel like you need to rush to just do the steps that I used. Like explore it for yourself so that you can really sink into what relaxation and release feels like for you. And you know you said that you noticed uh more activity and energy up here.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

And my third eye, yeah. I'm like totally like buzzing. He's buzzing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:44

So it's good to ground yourself after this too. Yeah. But that is the purpose and intention is to take a lot of this physical, uh, frenetic excess energy and bring it. Just anchor your mind and your will so that you choose what you do with that creative energy, that physical force that uh a lot of us men need healthy outlets for. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

The other thing that I noticed was on the breath hold.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

I knew this was gonna happen. That's why I also mentioned it before, where it's like tightening my stomach instead of relaxing it. Yeah, it took me a like a few seconds to be like, oh, you're holding, I'm holding, I'm holding, let go. So then I'd have to like actively relax my stomach.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

And then I was like, oh yeah, now I'm doing the whole, the, the, the breath hold, but not the stomach hold.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:43

Correctly. Yeah. Really important that you bring that up. Yeah. Because especially in this mindset of accomplishment, the temptation can be, oh, I need to suck my belly in. Yeah, oh, I need to force it into. That's the wrong. That's not what we want to do. What we want to do is see how soft we can let the belly be. And that's a that's an outcome that comes from breathing out fully. Yeah. Like truly being able to be empty. It's just gonna naturally happen as a vacuum, is is lifting the diaphragm. Yeah, it's softly rolling up, versus like I need to right, like force it up there.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

It's a practice. Yeah, it's absolutely the pelvic floor. If you actually do it from a place of relaxation, like you'll notice, oh, my some men will struggle with uh premature ejaculation or just other kinds of sexual compulsion and dysfunction. And getting the pelvic floor really relaxed and healthy is great for both men and women for all of those issues. Yeah, really helps just you feel safe in your body, safe in your expression, safe and regulated in your creativity, your sensuality, your your joy, you know, like come on now. Who doesn't want that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There it is. So yeah, if you have the time for it, and I would recommend you make the time for it, try this for a week, three days even, every day, just a couple minutes. Get out of bed, get some water, do a little tummy massage. You're gonna for me, I feel so much happier the days that I do that. I'm like, oh, everything's good. I'm just everything's cool, man. And life happens, but like I'm just like, ah, cool. Like I'm I'm able to regulate way easier when this part of my body isn't trying so hard to protect me, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:03

Oh well, yeah, beautiful. Thank you for leading us through that.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:06

Thanks for taking it, taking the time to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:09

Yeah, great. So practice it, try it, you know, try it for a week, see, see what happens to your body. Uh yeah. All right. So now that you've uh seen Dominic lead us through a beautiful exercise, what what are you what's your current offer? What are you what are you offering right now? What are some things that you're putting out there and where can they find your work?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:33

Yeah. Instagram is free.somatics, free somatics. And my website is mindright.biz. Get your mind right. I like that. And Solomon will put details on how you can reach out to me directly. The main offerings that I have, starting from the simplest ones, is I teach, uh, I have an accountability group. So if you're wanting to, and this is free, if you want to just build a daily routine and you're committing to like five minutes of meditation or breath work or whatever it is that you're committing to in your life. This is a commitment accountability group you can contact me about. And all you do is when you've done the thing you've you're you're committed to, you just put a little emoji in the chat. And you see everybody, oh wow, six emojis, like everybody else is doing their thing. So happy. And you reward them, you celebrate them, you react like, oh, cool, yeah, great job. But this just helps us build a deeper sense of rhythm into our lives with the things that we know benefit us, whether that's meditation, breath work, exercise. It could be anything, but it's a focus on like a daily practice of some sort. Yeah. So that's the that's the free offering. You can anyone can join that, and the more the merrier, as long as you participate. And then the second offering is is a it's a deep dive on the diaphragm and and breathing, right? Breathing science, right? So it's meant to be for people who have always struggled with having a meditation practice or a breathwork practice that actually works for them. It's learning the science of your diaphragm. It's learning how to do what we just did a lot better. And it's a real deep dive on that, and it's six weeks. Six weeks container uh with me and and other men. And that runs throughout the year uh in six week segments. So you can contact me if you're interested in that. And then there's the bigger coaching offering, which is three months, and that's the deep dive into all those pillars that we were talking about on the podcast. Yeah, that's a full deep dive into your nervous system, a full deep dive into purpose and how to regulate between those two.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

And then accountability on how you're carrying that out in the embodied way. That's three months.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

All right, yeah, great, yeah. So um, these are all gonna be in the description, so yeah, no need to worry about where it is, but we'll drop all that in and you can find them. And what's the the free offering? Is that on WhatsApp or is it a different platform? What's on WhatsApp? Easy, easy, great, awesome. Well, uh, you're gonna see Dominic on the Inter Edge Men's Community as well, doing something a little longer and having a QA with him so he can answer some questions that you might have as to like, yeah, how does this work and XYZ? Or maybe you've tried it and you're like, hey, I have some questions. Like, I tried it in XYZ ABC.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

And uh yeah, so he'll be in the community. Uh we'll check him out to see what what the offering, what he's gonna offer in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:50

Check it out. Check it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:52

All right. That's uh let's uh final remarks. What's what what's something you want to leave with the men?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:59

Final remarks. All of this, the whole point of all of this is so we can enjoy the gift of being who we already are. And no matter how you get there, that's my prayer for the world and for men right now is that we all sink so deeply into the gift of who we are that the world gets better, that we we feel more peace and we bring more peace to this planet just by being who we already are and being in touch with that. And all of this is really just to facilitate us embodying that together. Yeah. In the spirit of service.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

Yeah. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening, thanks for joining. See you guys later.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

It's a Google.